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	<title>Comments on: Dell Poweredge R710 iSOE key DDR3L Broadcom Quad NICs</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.modelcar.hk/?p=2727&#038;cpage=1#comment-1087</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order for ESX to recognize Broadcom&#039;s NIC as a hardware HBA, yes, you do need to have that iSCSI Key to enable the feature.

However, I found the software iSCSI is more than enough and it&#039;s actually more flexible in terms of Maximum Number of Offload Connections (see my December 1, 2010 comment) and CPU wise, it only takes 1-2% more CPU with Xeon 5600 series, but may take more (close to 20-30%) if you have 5400 series. 

Performance wise, I did test both, not much difference really, of course, you can use Boot from SAN if you have that iSCSI Key, but most people recommend to use a local storage or SD card instead for installing ESX/ESXi.

Update: 

Sorry, I misread your question. You need to contact Dell regrding this issue, the stand alone Quad-Port Broadcom NIC with ISOE should appear in ESX as HBA EVEN WITHOUT the on-board iSOE key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order for ESX to recognize Broadcom&#8217;s NIC as a hardware HBA, yes, you do need to have that iSCSI Key to enable the feature.</p>
<p>However, I found the software iSCSI is more than enough and it&#8217;s actually more flexible in terms of Maximum Number of Offload Connections (see my December 1, 2010 comment) and CPU wise, it only takes 1-2% more CPU with Xeon 5600 series, but may take more (close to 20-30%) if you have 5400 series. </p>
<p>Performance wise, I did test both, not much difference really, of course, you can use Boot from SAN if you have that iSCSI Key, but most people recommend to use a local storage or SD card instead for installing ESX/ESXi.</p>
<p>Update: </p>
<p>Sorry, I misread your question. You need to contact Dell regrding this issue, the stand alone Quad-Port Broadcom NIC with ISOE should appear in ESX as HBA EVEN WITHOUT the on-board iSOE key.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I installed the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5709 Gigabit NIC w TOE &amp; iSCSI Offload, Quad Port on the Dell PowerEdge 2950. I did not install the iSCSI Offload Key. The Bios and ESXi 4.1 do not recognized the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5709. 

Do you need the iSCSI Offload Key for the PE2950?
 
If the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5709 have it embedded, how come the PE2950 Bios and ESXi 4.1 do not recognized this device?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I installed the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5709 Gigabit NIC w TOE &amp; iSCSI Offload, Quad Port on the Dell PowerEdge 2950. I did not install the iSCSI Offload Key. The Bios and ESXi 4.1 do not recognized the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5709. </p>
<p>Do you need the iSCSI Offload Key for the PE2950?</p>
<p>If the Broadcom NetXtreme II 5709 have it embedded, how come the PE2950 Bios and ESXi 4.1 do not recognized this device?</p>
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		<title>By: Freaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have 3 SAN&#039;s (targets) with about 2-4 LUNs on each of them. So if you mean by &#039;connection&#039; targets it should suffice I suppose. If you however mean outstanding commands, buffers, those things 64 is extremely low.

Thanks for the re&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have 3 SAN&#8217;s (targets) with about 2-4 LUNs on each of them. So if you mean by &#8216;connection&#8217; targets it should suffice I suppose. If you however mean outstanding commands, buffers, those things 64 is extremely low.</p>
<p>Thanks for the re&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.modelcar.hk/?p=2727&#038;cpage=1#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quote from an Broadcom expert at EQL.

There are physical limitations for the Broadcom iSOE cards (iS You will run out of resources on the cards which will limit the number of iSCSI connections when configured as HBA’s as follows:


Table 2: Maximum Number of Offload Connections 
 
Offload  First Come First Served  Reserved Resources  Maximum Number of Connections 
TOE only Selected  –  1024 
TOE only  –  Selected  864 
iSCSI only  Selected  –  Between 7 and 100 
iSCSI only  –  Selected  28
 

It has been my experience that HBA mode with First Come First Served reservation policy can support 64
connections reliably however, there may be other factors in the server that may influence that number yielding less connections.

To answer your question on how much additional performance you are likely to gain – remember, this type of configuration benefits the SERVER.  If you have a high quality honking server class server, it is my opinion that you will see less than a 10% performance benefit which would be in the form of server CPU utilization; nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quote from an Broadcom expert at EQL.</p>
<p>There are physical limitations for the Broadcom iSOE cards (iS You will run out of resources on the cards which will limit the number of iSCSI connections when configured as HBA’s as follows:</p>
<p>Table 2: Maximum Number of Offload Connections </p>
<p>Offload  First Come First Served  Reserved Resources  Maximum Number of Connections<br />
TOE only Selected  –  1024<br />
TOE only  –  Selected  864<br />
iSCSI only  Selected  –  Between 7 and 100<br />
iSCSI only  –  Selected  28</p>
<p>It has been my experience that HBA mode with First Come First Served reservation policy can support 64<br />
connections reliably however, there may be other factors in the server that may influence that number yielding less connections.</p>
<p>To answer your question on how much additional performance you are likely to gain – remember, this type of configuration benefits the SERVER.  If you have a high quality honking server class server, it is my opinion that you will see less than a 10% performance benefit which would be in the form of server CPU utilization; nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Freaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you elaborate on why iSOE shouldn&#039;t be used with ESX 4.1? Dell actually advised the iSOE here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you elaborate on why iSOE shouldn&#8217;t be used with ESX 4.1? Dell actually advised the iSOE here&#8230;</p>
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